1tabligh (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@javyisthis300 God and Empirical Logic. One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic". Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter? 

javyisthis300 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@1tabligh How is this proof? You've been defeated

1tabligh (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@javyisthis300 Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear. ...

javyisthis300 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@1tabligh Yup copy and paste

1tabligh (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@javyisthis300 We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or testing.

javyisthis300 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@1tabligh Are you copying and pasting these things?

1tabligh (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

backs on scientific principles, primary deductions and propositions based on reflection, and deny the existence of the Creator. Now, too, in the age of science and technology, when man has found his way into space, a considerable number of scientists have a religious outlook as part of the intellectual system; they have come to believe in the existence of a creator, a source for all beings, not only by means of the heart and the conscience, but also through deduction and logic

1tabligh (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@javyisthis300 When the experimental sciences demonstrate that the elements and natural facrtors cannot exert any independent influence and do not possess any creativity; when all of our experiences, our sensory feelings, and our rational deductions point to the conclusion that nothing occurs in nature without a reason and cause and that all phenomena are based on an established system and specific laws, when all of this is the case, it is surprising that some people turn their

sownindishonor15 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I like the song and all, but the first two lines are what I don't understand. Paul instructed the Romans as to how to seek the will of God above the will of man.